2012

topic posted Fri, January 18, 2008 - 5:05 AM by  offlineElo
I'm sure many of you are aware of things like the end of the Mayan calander in 2012, that the sun and earth line up with the centre of our galaxey for the first time in 26,0000 years, that many are talking about great collective changes at this time, some feel dark, some feel postive, some both. Terrance MacKenna developed an interesting theory on accelarating changes climaxing in a dramtic shift in collective conciousness and even time -

uk.youtube.com/watch

thought it would be interesting in this tribe to ask people what is there personal intutive feeling this might mean, especialy after browsing around what some of the proffesional pundits are say, take it back to your personal self, and what does your soul say about this ?
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  • Re: 2012

    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:10 AM
    My personal intuition is that there comes a tiem when Mayan. Italian, Phoenecian, Greek etc.. calendars may not have all the answers. The Mayans though very intellignet.. are the only ones with this forecast.

    I expect life to continue a sit is. We may have more climate changes due to global warmign and mans' affects on natural habitats. We may have more attempts in our cities to abate this phenomena. these attempts may work or may produce new difficulties which will challenge new scientists and thinkers.

    Life will go on .. and many will continue to grow and develop their lives and spirituality.
  • Re: 2012

    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:41 AM
    I guess I am a bit more interested in Terrance MacKenna's (see the you tube clip about this above) take on what this could mean (note also he developed this theory BEFORE he knew about the Mayan calander). As far as i know i dont think the Mayans ever talked about the end of the world, rather the end of time. But its very true that the Mayans were certianly not the only intelligent culture with esoteric views. However i think people have uncovered something like this in Egyptology also.

    the acceleration of information, novelty, and change, is something that seems self eveident from history, and this HAS to affect the collective unconcious, and if thats accelerating, where does the acceleration lead to ? Mckennas mathamatical/historical model of this based on the I Ching is interesting, though i forget the details of how it works.

    I feel intutively we are aproching some kind of vortex in collective concsiouness, but I dont think this will be a explosive dramtic event as Mckenna seems to point, rather a very subtle but proufound and deep change in the collective, that will then trigger a gradual then accelerating change in the way we live. Many think events such as the increased awarness of global warming, 9/11, Iraq, and the war on terror, are just some of the events that are leading into this. So i do agree with you that global warming and our reaction to this will cause a collective change - I feel eventualy for the better - though the transition at times may be very painfull for some, and quiet chaotic collectivly.

    We will re establish our "connection" i feel, connection to ourselvs, to nature, to others, and to other cultures, but there will be many tears shed along that path. A kind of plutonian death and re-birth of the collective.

    But thats my feeling, interested in what others sense, or have read thought about.
    • Re: 2012

      Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:48 AM
      I have been around the New Age movement for many years.. darn it.. that ,makes me a bi told!

      I hav eheard "this is the time" stuff over and over.. for the last 25 years.

      These theories in my opinion are in a way ,metaphors. At tiems they are urgent markers or calls to one person or group or another. Then that is great!

      For me, now is always the time .. to do good, to exercise, to clean up karma, to think about new things, to volunteer, to live passionately and with sensitivity and gratitude.
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    Re: 2012

    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:50 AM
    I just take it one day at a time, whatever happens, happens.
  • Re: 2012

    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 8:08 AM
    Cath I do know what you mean about the endless prophecies, but I do think this is a bit different check this out -

    uk.youtube.com/watch

    For me its not about not living one day at a time, its just i have a great interest in the collective, in global culture, and how this is changing. I'm working on a media project that relates to all this.

    I do feel its about time 50,000 people a week stoped dieing in Africa for no real reason, we stop destroying the planet for the next generation, and we stop this hostility between different cultures (middle east/western in particular)

    If we are aproach an event that may be a growing up process for mankind, hell thats good, im sure the people dieing like flies in Africa may be pleased if that happens. But i do feel there will be more pain along that path. Most of us in Europe and America have been spoilt in some sense since the 50's, we live in a cosey over material world fenced off from the rest (all be it perhaps a more stressful world) but there are a hell of a lot of storms, devestation, and chaotic change going on with the other 90% of the planet that is about to hit us in one way or another (one of the key ones of course being climate change)

    there are dramticly postive things aproaching this century also - the expected cracking of cold fussion energy - unlimited completly clean ultra cheap energy, with this we can convert the barran planes of africa into fertile vallyes, the possiblity to end most diease with the accelerating breakthroughs in medicine, the end of poverty is entirely possible with the non stop advance of material efficency in western economies, but all this has to be done in a new way that respects our connection to nature and the organic, as well as the spirtual planes we live on. Computer power is going to accelerate so around 2020 computers will be faster and have more connections than the human brain, which will alow computer models to be far more helpful with climate, medicine and economic models. Check out James Martins book - " the meaning of the 21st centuray on this"

    I'm not really looking at this with a morbid eye, rather with an eye for what this centuray brings for humanity and the planet. One thing i am 110% on , there will be much much change.
    • Re: 2012

      Fri, January 18, 2008 - 9:07 AM
      frame it with Enya and it's true.

      What are you doing today to provide kindness, hope in today's world?

      I pledged a portion of my moving sale profits to a group who are helping farmers and residents who lost everything in western washington a month ago with major floods.

      I completed my volunteer application for Women of Wisdom, an international womens conference which teaches HOPE, spirituality, healing, making a difference. Later if I am not working ( I am a substitute teacher .. and so far havenot been called, but on Fridays people often get sick about 11 am.) I will work on my applications for Peace Corps and another group which will enable me to work in Costa Rica in schools training teachers.
      • Re: 2012

        Fri, January 18, 2008 - 11:02 AM
        I cant say what im doing with my project, but it is very much about hope - hope, inspiration, information, re-connection, interaction and action. Our current MASS media has very badly let us down. Its been bought out. And really, at the end of the day, big changes are all about masses, because the mass attitudes are what the power brokers have to work with, even if they try to manipulate these attitudes, the power brokers are also at there call.

        Cath the things you are doing are great, noble and very worthy. These individual actions can have a great affect on creating mass actions from the grass roots and spreading outwards. For me personaly though my interests lie with mass shifts. As Geoffry Sachs so clearly shows in his book "The End of Poverty" the end of problems, which are especialy extreme and enormous now in Africa, though of course not just there, could infact be almost effortless for the advanced world. If all countries pledeged 0.7 % of GDP over the next 20 years this problem could be gone in one fell swoop. It would require more observance over how money is spent by corrupt regiemes also, but there are sound ways to do this as suggest by Norean Hertz in "IOU" the debt threat and why we must diffuse it"

        Geffory Sachs was the advisor to the UN really behind the UN's millennium goals, goals that were given lip service to by the developed world, but have already been badly reneged on.

        There is an increadible amount wealth in the world now, wealth that is growing compounded in developed worlds at around 2% each year. an increadible amount of power. If those who control that power chose to, they could solve all these seemingly unsolvable problems - including global warming. It really would not be that difficult for them.

        But they will only do this if they are made to feel uncomfortable on there comfortable chairs by the masses - when these issues become important enough to the masses. That requires a shift in perspective. Or put another way (and this is hopefuly what 2012 will be about) you can fool all the people some of the time, or some of the people all the time, not not all of the people all of the time.

        RE the 2012 clip I dont think framing it with Enya makes it false either, i think that clip is more a question than a statement really (although i certainly dont neccesiarly agree with all its implications), ie what is this going to be about ? This acceleration of change and events in history. I was hoping for some kind of debate on that, on an examination of what is going down collectivly and the changes that seem to be accelerating, and the many great minds that have pointed to this date of 2012 indpendantly, its not just the Mayans.
        • Re: 2012

          Fri, January 18, 2008 - 3:20 PM
          I like this post about it I found on a forum -

          "Imagine a kid at school not listening to the teacher... after a while he's going to be called to attention. If he continues ignoring the teacher, he's going to be shouted at. Again, if he ignores, the teacher will come nose to nose with him and so on - the action of the teacher is proportional to the kid's behaviour. So therefore the teacher keeps supplying an energy kick until it's big enough to shake the kid to awareness. And that is what 2012 is partly about, in that those of us who listen to our hearts will be onlookers to those of us that ignore the world. So the "calamity" is proportional to ignorance.



          Biblically speaking, or at least ancient prophetically speaking, we're in for a good old smiting. However, enough of us have listened to our hearts so that collectively these prophecies are no longer valid. Sure, the component parts are still about us, but the alignments have all changed. This is something that really confuses people. Imagine being presented the pages of a book in the "wrong" order. If we already know the story, we will rearrange the pages to suit and then say "aha! I knew it was this book all along!" But of course, there is no "wrong" order... that's our perception misleading us. So instead we should read the pages as they are and learn a different story entirely. That's where we're at right now I think. "

          www.celestinevision.com/celest...pic.php
  • Re: 2012

    Mon, January 21, 2008 - 9:16 PM
    I gently urge those who focus heavily on 2012 to step out of the future and into the now, for in this NOW, in this moment we have power over our future history. This cycle has been occurring for eons. It is a natural cycle in which we experience time acceleration, accelerated learning and evolution, advancements in technology and advancements in quantum understanding. As our axis (solar system) spins into contact with our polar opposite, the magnetic pull pulls us and pushes our opposite torwards and past each other. This is why we are experiencing so many things right now.

    This is a natural occurrence, and it is best that we stay empowered through NOW, and stay in a space of love and not fear. There will be many deceptions and lies which humanity will encounter, pulling our focus off track and taking us into another delusion. It is imperative that we stay focused on that which we have chosen to come here for. We must listen to all parts of our BEING. Our higher self, our heart, our feelings, our physical body's sensations.. Follow your feelings for the mind will always trick you for it is from the ego that it serves your identity and not your purpose. The feelings you feel are always right. Your body responds to your thoughts or situations by means of feelings, so feelings are more accurate than what your thought process might say. The unified consciousness system (reality) connects us to each other, and our subconscious connects us to each other. All of this happens internal, reality is an internal perception though it appears to be outside of oneself. All of this is actually taking place in our DNA. The only reason we see a chair the same way, is because our subconscious minds are LINKED, for we are one, and we are all tapped into the same unified consciousness field/system. The energy field that is manifest and perceived as reality.
  • Re: 2012

    Tue, January 22, 2008 - 6:11 PM
    yeah, thats a good one, its gonna be non judgment day, not "judgment day, and dis-armageden
  • Re: 2012

    Thu, January 24, 2008 - 10:04 AM
    The healing art that I practice, VortexHealing, is heavily involved in the energetic movements leading up to and including the shift in 2012. I appreciate what one poster wrote about being in the present, but being present doesn't mean not thinking about or planning for the future, just that when you do, you do so from Presence, not escapism.

    A lot is going to happen in 2012, far more than anyone can predict, because it's like trying to imagine a new color - you can't imagine it until you see it for yourself. However, there are a number of things that it looks like we'll be facilitating through VortexHealing, including (but not limited to):

    ~ Awakening Gaia to her True Nature, which will in turn make everyone's physical bodies Awake, even if their soul is still stuck in samsara.
    ~ A spark of divine consciousness will appear in the place where human consciousness Awakens from the dream of separation, which will motivate those who have had little interest in their spiritual nature to become true seekers.
    ~ A new dot-chromosome will appear in the human genome, made up of three bits of genetic material, each one adding a new dimension to human consciousness and the chakra system.
    ~ An overall shift in human consciousness, which we cannot see yet because it's not here yet.

    In the meantime, we facilitate a global shift in energy/consciousness once or twice each year to prepare the planet for what is to come in 2012. It will be an interesting time, and I think most people won't even notice at first, but it will be there and have its effect.
    • Re: 2012

      Thu, January 24, 2008 - 10:35 AM
      ...and making plans for your past...

      the present is changing with the thoughts we are thinking... we should focus on what is best and brightest, think ahead yes... but do not become part of the machine of shadow...

      : )
    • Re: 2012

      Thu, January 24, 2008 - 9:06 PM
      When the ground shakes due to the earth quake of change, don't hold onto a tree, fly free and ride the wave! :)
      • Re: 2012

        Fri, January 25, 2008 - 12:13 PM
        that does sound awesome.... : )

        ...i've ridden the wave before...
        • Re: 2012

          Sat, January 26, 2008 - 8:48 PM
          Riding the wave may be one great way to reach for higher awareness and understanding, but in the present phase it's still relatively passive. Yes, it shouldn't all be about future dates and future dates, and yes maybe every single time should've been "the time," but I think if you're aware and tuned in with the spirit of the world, you can feel that spiral tightening, if you want to think of it that way, or the rate of change shooting off the charts now more than ever. Many scientists have now labeled this last year as the official "tipping" of the world, the beginning descent toward the darker depths of global warming. It's not just how we allow multi-nationals to treat the world, it's how the individual has most often been taught to see the world, the socialized severing of our roots to the planet. It is about now, it starts with us reconnecting with our Selves, but why not also know we're building to something lastingly positive for our next generations? If you go by the Astrological Precession timetable, the great new age of Aquarius is still more than 140 years away. Maybe we do need to end ingrained patterns before starting something truly new. Yes, life will continue through 2013 and beyond, but maybe that only means that we do have to prove the Mayans right. The people are probably now at the point where they can end it, the pervasive corruption and brutality that has been the hidden corner-stone of "civilization" for all these millenia. If we build toward it now, we can make the end of 2012 the first solid stepping-stone away from all that fear and greed that perverted most of the religious institutions claiming to follow Abraham, Jesus, or Muhammad. We'll only escape the injustices of the Picean age (1- 2150 AD) if we construct 2012 to be the platform from which we can send encouraging energy forward for the timely arrival of Aquarius.
          • Re: 2012

            Fri, February 1, 2008 - 5:11 PM
            nice perspectives guys. Check out this astrological one, especialy what David says, hes pretty good -

            classicalastrology.tribe.net/thr...7f36

            interesting that more tense verions of the 60's pulto unranus cycle, And the stuff he says prior and post to that.
            • Re: 2012

              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 2:36 PM
              It is October 28th 2011 actually, but who knows? Therte are great opportunities everywhere...

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              ASTRONOMIC ZODIAC
              an overview for the year 2008


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              ASTRONOMIC ZODIAC


              The astronomic zodiac1 as presently defined is based on the IAU2 resolution dated August 2006. The present zodiac hosts 22 IAU constellations in all.
              Since Pluto is no longer a planet3, we lose several interesting zodiacal constellations4 like Serpens Cauda5, which may nevertheless be included in astrological work, much as Pluto is secretly treated as planet in many astronomic program updates.
              What is the Academic Zodiac? It is a set of zodiacal constellations that are very illustrative as well as scientifically observable in the real sky.
              As an example of the position of the Sun it is notable that the Sun is in Libra on November 23rd.
              The implications deriving from the study of the real sky are that the errors as made by popular astrology are not “one sign”, as someone thinks, but two constellations.
              The Sun can be tracked through 15 constellations, where two are special and one is standard. Every planet goes through Cetus, Orion and Ophiuchus, but the Sun goes near to Orion and very near to Cetus as IAU defines it.


              PRECESSED ASCENDANT


              The ascendant is a separate topic, as subject to precession, to which the zodiac is not. In our works we normally refer to the local zodiac for planet earth and its present set of eastern ascendants.
              More or less the same error appears in comparing the real sky with superstitious program output. On checking an alleged “Capricorn” ascendant, we discover that Pisces were rising at east in the natal horoscope.
              The 16 eastern ascendants for the current epoch are constellations observable at east in all parts of the planet. Thus the precessed ascendant set is the real situation in the natal sky.
              Sometimes a zodiacal position coincides with the ascendant, thus we have e.g. Venus rising in Hydra or Moonrise in Cetus.
              Some positions have national value such as Moon in Orion for the WTC, Serpens rising for the U.S.A. Or Canis Minor rising in the case of president George Bush.
              The ascendants can be advantageously classified as subconscious and subconscious, thus Orion is a subconscious ascendant and lord of the underworld.


              THE HOROSCOPE


              The modern horoscope swarms with new elements that were unknown prior to year 1992, thus we have the centaurs, dwarf planets, outer guardians, Apoheles, Earth coorbitals, WMAP cold spot, WR 104, KELU-1, Eris and giant comets.
              Modern astrology is an exhausting yet fascinating subject as it emerged from the stalled miasma of European superstition.
              The so much cherished heroes of our short6 past were in fact superstitious fellows unprepared for any zodiacal challenge. Luckily we discovered the precision of the ancients in order to support our own long range observation.


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              1In the present article we are dealing with the
              2We proposed an early zodiac to the IAU and will re-propose the current, since the IAU has astrology on the topics list. This large bureaucratic body has probably seldom discussed astrology. The most important scientists of the time strangely have no IAU membership, as probably happily lost in their own research.
              3Pluto and Eris being officially defined as dwarf planets. We keep to the official IAU frame for our research with due stretching and refining of merely formal criteria to our humanistic purposes.
              4These constellations pertain to the P zodiac, much as Eris constellations pertain to the X zodiac.
              5Serpens Cauda is the ascendant of the U.S.A., but since the ascendant has nothing to do with being zodiacal, we e Serpens Cauda on purpose of reflection and consideration.
              62000 or 5000 years is taken as short past, in fact too short to even handle precession.

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